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nomad84: +if you enjoyed the Springboard video, you may also like this: it is hosted by Dieter Bohn

2022-05-19 20:12:23 UTC

nomad84: Have you seen the Computer History Museum’s interview with Jon Rubinstein? It’s available on youtube, the Palm story starts around 1:25h.

2022-05-19 19:42:13 UTC

mazzinia: yw

2022-05-19 08:24:25 UTC

codepoet: thanks for finding the app. if the back-end is dead, its not gonna be high priority, but i'll get it into the archive at some point

2022-05-19 00:40:11 UTC

mazzinia: thanks

2022-05-19 00:33:52 UTC


2022-05-19 00:33:39 UTC

mazzinia: (also he said the backend for that app is not working or working differently)

2022-05-19 00:33:14 UTC

mazzinia: I'm thinking I could invite him here maybe ? but what's the invite link ?

2022-05-19 00:32:24 UTC

mazzinia: @​codepoet

2022-05-18 23:56:52 UTC

mazzinia: ach, touche :P

2022-05-18 20:08:21 UTC

codepoet: why don't you just ask him? :)

2022-05-18 20:07:58 UTC

mazzinia: I see he updated his site in 2019

2022-05-18 20:05:53 UTC

mazzinia: uhm... for the missing ipk from gregstoll... why not just asking him ?

2022-05-18 20:05:41 UTC

mazzinia: still cute that someone is doing that

2022-05-18 19:38:25 UTC

codepoet: this is a torrent too, so someone would have to be seeding it

2022-05-18 19:35:43 UTC

codepoet: the archive is 39.6gb, so I would wager this is a subset

2022-05-18 19:35:05 UTC

codepoet: yes, I have a whole folder in the archive of "other versions"

2022-05-18 19:34:45 UTC

mazzinia: on a quick scan I noticed various revisions of single apps

2022-05-18 19:34:04 UTC

codepoet: at a quick scan, nothing on there looks unique

2022-05-18 19:33:46 UTC

codepoet: Feel free to check it against the missing list:

2022-05-18 19:33:18 UTC

mazzinia: this archive seems having 24gb of webos packages

2022-05-18 19:32:46 UTC

mazzinia: .... is this known ?

2022-05-18 19:32:25 UTC


2022-05-18 19:32:18 UTC

mazzinia: uhm guys ?

2022-05-18 19:32:15 UTC

mazzinia: hi

2022-05-18 12:07:24 UTC

nomad84: hello

2022-05-18 12:07:21 UTC

mazzinia: discord maybe ?

2022-05-18 12:06:12 UTC

mazzinia: where / how do you prefer getting it ?

2022-05-18 12:05:58 UTC

mazzinia: and hello @​nomad84

2022-05-18 12:03:51 UTC

mazzinia: oh sure

2022-05-18 12:03:41 UTC

nomad84: Do you mind sharing it?

2022-05-18 05:01:35 UTC

codepoet: I'm gonna officially call it. After 2 months of dedicated use, including attempts to travel with it, the Palm PVG100 is a piece of crap. The only way you can make it through the day is to run nothing, and never look at it. The battery visibly craters during active use, the camera is embarrassing, and the Verizon software, even after disabling everything possible, is utter garbage. I'll try the Unihertz Jelly 2 next. Meanwhile...

2022-05-17 22:56:15 UTC

mazzinia: well.. there are ipks of acl... if you want to try them

2022-05-17 19:22:27 UTC

codepoet: This is one of the original devs. I hunted him down, but haven't reached out yet:

2022-05-17 12:49:37 UTC

nomad84: I wonder if there are any working copies of the ipks in existence

2022-05-17 12:16:02 UTC

codepoet mini: The ACL work seemed to drop off the map after its initial success

2022-05-17 02:34:19 UTC

nomad84: I was also thinking about installing Opera Mini using ACL (if that’s viable) or AndroidChroot

2022-05-16 20:05:44 UTC

codepoet: I also put a note about Opera Mini in

2022-05-16 15:15:05 UTC

codepoet: Added Retune to curator's choice, and updated the Docs

2022-05-16 15:14:55 UTC

codepoet: that fix worked, and Retune just made my HomePods 100x more useful! I'm going to donate to the guy.

2022-05-16 12:55:34 UTC

codepoet: this appears to be my issue:

2022-05-16 12:44:11 UTC

codepoet: although it keeps dropping out on my homepod...but that's not the Touchpad's fault

2022-05-16 12:42:40 UTC

codepoet: Working with windows

2022-05-16 12:42:11 UTC

nomad84: sometimes it's crazy how much backwards compatible Apple services are, I can also use my TouchPad to control my PowerBook to play music on my HomePods

2022-05-15 15:14:15 UTC

nomad84: (Leopard and Monterey Settings)

2022-05-15 15:09:53 UTC

nomad84: I do not have a Windows PC to test this but knowing Apple, it might work on it the same way

2022-05-15 15:02:07 UTC

nomad84: to be frank this is super easy to setup: 1. Install Retune on you TouchPad 2. Disable Firewall on your Mac 3. Launch Apple Music (or iTunes on older Macs) 4. Launch Retune on your TouchPad 5. Select your TouchPad under Devices in Apple Music (or iTunes) 6. Enter the four digit code displayed in Retune 7. Turn your firewall back on on your Mac (ensure that Music or iTunes is still set to allowed) 8. Profit

2022-05-15 15:00:29 UTC

nomad84: you can also pair with multiple Macs but I think you can only control one at a time :)

2022-05-15 14:57:21 UTC

nomad84: sure thing

2022-05-15 14:56:48 UTC

codepoet: Wanna write this up as a markdown doc? Seems like a good modern use-case people would be interested in. I could add to the webOS archive docs

2022-05-15 14:56:11 UTC

nomad84: I think I have tried all features from the screen and everything works besides Genius (IIRC Apple killed that years ago)

2022-05-15 14:55:22 UTC

nomad84: once paired, I could reenable the firewall

2022-05-15 14:52:24 UTC

codepoet: Ya probably need to add port exceptions... If you can even do that any more

2022-05-15 14:52:22 UTC

nomad84: ah, it seems it only needed it to be disabled for pairing

2022-05-15 14:52:15 UTC


2022-05-15 14:51:49 UTC

nomad84: it already had Music set to allow incoming connection

2022-05-15 14:50:57 UTC

codepoet: Can you add a firewall exception and turn it on?

2022-05-15 14:50:31 UTC

nomad84: FYI, it didn't work with Firewall on

2022-05-15 14:48:47 UTC

nomad84: controlling multiroom audio from the TouchPad is possible :)

2022-05-15 14:48:27 UTC


2022-05-15 14:47:54 UTC

codepoet: Gonna have to try on iTunes for Windows

2022-05-15 14:47:45 UTC

nomad84: though the Mac, but you can also play through the Apple TV and Homepods as well

2022-05-15 14:46:30 UTC

codepoet: That's super cool. Does it play through the Touchpad or through the Mac?

2022-05-15 14:45:00 UTC

nomad84: *all of them

2022-05-15 14:44:44 UTC

nomad84: and it also sees some of the airplay targets!

2022-05-15 14:44:28 UTC

nomad84: I can browse my entire Apple Music library! ^_^

2022-05-15 14:42:37 UTC


2022-05-15 14:41:48 UTC

nomad84: well, I have turned off the firewall and it seems to work with current gen apple devices!

2022-05-15 14:40:35 UTC

codepoet: Wow! I didn't know that worked

2022-05-15 14:36:46 UTC

nomad84: interestingly the remote also showed up on the latest Apple Music app but it failed to pair

2022-05-15 14:36:40 UTC

nomad84: it's just the native iTunes 10 installation on Mac OS X Leopard

2022-05-15 14:35:58 UTC

codepoet: Oh neat! Where did you find the Mac app?

2022-05-15 14:17:19 UTC


2022-05-15 14:11:12 UTC

nomad84: +Retune still works with my PowerBook! :)

2022-05-15 14:10:51 UTC

nomad84: I have never used my account to receive calls to be honest

2022-05-15 13:06:14 UTC

codepoet: How about in?

2022-05-15 12:55:03 UTC

nomad84: I'm using it with freevoipdeal (paid account) and dialing out seem to work fine

2022-05-15 12:53:40 UTC

codepoet: Looks like its a hybrid app

2022-05-15 12:51:33 UTC


2022-05-15 12:47:50 UTC


2022-05-15 12:46:37 UTC

nomad84: I think it works with any SIP account

2022-05-15 12:43:52 UTC

codepoet: Is it a SDK app? Do you need an account to use it?

2022-05-15 12:40:19 UTC

codepoet: That might be fixable.

2022-05-15 12:39:59 UTC

nomad84: I see, Linphone seem to work fine, but it is not integrated with the system very well

2022-05-15 12:39:01 UTC

codepoet: Not surprisingly they became less relevant after that

2022-05-15 12:28:37 UTC

codepoet: You can blame Microsoft for that one, but the Skype team also switched to their ‘raider’ back-end in 2015, which eventually left out all legacy devices

2022-05-15 12:28:19 UTC

codepoet: Nope

2022-05-15 12:27:29 UTC

nomad84: is Skype still working?

2022-05-15 12:25:20 UTC

codepoet: Other than Skype, none that I know of. But don't forget you can pair your TP to a modern phone will Bluetooth and make and receive calls that way

2022-05-15 12:21:29 UTC

mazzinia: nice color scheme

2022-05-15 11:20:59 UTC


2022-05-15 10:24:49 UTC

nomad84: are there any VOIP apps, besides linphone, for the TouchPad?

2022-05-15 10:22:59 UTC

nomad84: oh well, TTS is more of a tech demo anyways

2022-05-14 14:14:11 UTC

codepoet mini: That *is* weird

2022-05-14 14:05:43 UTC

nomad84: the weirdest part that it works with the Pre 3 but not with the TP

2022-05-14 12:21:31 UTC

nomad84: yes

2022-05-14 12:20:08 UTC

codepoet: works fine for me -- is the Veer on 2.2.4?

2022-05-14 12:03:51 UTC

nomad84: Are there any tricks to make the touch to share work between the Veer and TP? It works fine between the Pre 3 and the Veer and also between the TP and the Pre 3, but not between the Veer and TP.

2022-05-14 12:03:29 UTC

nomad84: I see

2022-05-14 11:59:56 UTC

codepoet: they're in the middle of a massive re-base

2022-05-14 11:29:25 UTC

codepoet: ya, it takes a long time and the current build is not stable

2022-05-14 11:29:20 UTC

nomad84: Never mind, it booted up after a few minutes :)

2022-05-14 06:21:47 UTC

nomad84: But when I try to boot it, it only shows blue bars

2022-05-14 06:18:41 UTC

nomad84: I have moboot working and I can mount the luneos fs

2022-05-14 06:18:08 UTC

nomad84: I have followed the instructions from here (replacing the uImage and tarball from the latest github testing release):

2022-05-14 06:17:35 UTC

nomad84: Do you know how to get the latest LuneOS installed on the TP?

2022-05-14 06:16:27 UTC

mazzinia: thanksss

2022-05-13 21:21:43 UTC

codepoet: i hope you get it working! one of my friends is a big garmin fan.

2022-05-13 21:21:23 UTC

mazzinia: sorry, just was desperate. the "update" stuck it with a "bt stack update" on the screen with nothing working and I thought it was bricked

2022-05-13 21:18:58 UTC

codepoet: then let's stick to the topic for the server, please! I bet there is a garmin Discord somewhere!

2022-05-13 21:18:12 UTC

mazzinia: I wish it was

2022-05-13 21:17:19 UTC

codepoet: is this for connecting to a webOS device?

2022-05-13 21:16:42 UTC

mazzinia: and bt is not shown if searching

2022-05-13 21:16:17 UTC

mazzinia: but now is a weird situation. shows the older sw , but bt stack updated

2022-05-13 21:15:59 UTC

mazzinia: a sw update near bricked the watch

2022-05-13 21:15:32 UTC

mazzinia: well, partially solved but dunno how much

2022-05-13 21:15:22 UTC

codepoet: not i! maybe they have their own Discord channel!

2022-05-13 21:04:06 UTC

mazzinia: anyone expert with garmin watches ? :-!

2022-05-13 19:37:43 UTC

mazzinia: help :-!

2022-05-13 19:37:31 UTC

codepoet: For each app that you want to try to rescue, go into the folder on your back up and run a `palm-package .` followed by a `palm-install` on the result, against a device that didn’t have the app before. If it works, I’ll take the resulting ipk and update the museum

2022-05-13 13:55:20 UTC