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nomad84: I have also mirrored all the doctor files to the same server using the original directory tree as these two sets of files share the same subdomain

2021-12-03 12:03:17 UTC

codepoet: once done, we'll only need one hosts file entry to fix everything!

2021-12-03 00:01:04 UTC

codepoet: I updated the clips index for en-us to point to that, but I'll have to run the others and the html files later. its date night with my lady

2021-12-02 23:59:56 UTC

codepoet: OK, the reverse proxy is setup here: http://help.webosarchive.com/devicehelp/

2021-12-02 23:57:07 UTC

nomad84: yep

2021-12-02 21:35:26 UTC

Grabber5.0: HTC.. Another former great

2021-12-02 21:30:20 UTC

nomad84: it was HTC actually

2021-12-02 21:29:31 UTC

nomad84: I thought they owned them

2021-12-02 21:28:23 UTC

nomad84: you are absolutely right

2021-12-02 21:28:16 UTC

Grabber5.0: Wasn't Beats just a partnership with HP ?

2021-12-02 21:27:34 UTC

nomad84: funny that Beats is now with Apple

2021-12-02 21:26:49 UTC

nomad84: it happened around the same time as HP's Palm and Beats acquisitions

2021-12-02 21:26:37 UTC

codepoet: ya, that Moto acquisition was hilarious

2021-12-02 21:25:53 UTC

codepoet: about the only thing interesting about HP in 2011 was their mobile acquisition

2021-12-02 21:25:38 UTC

nomad84: Fitbit, Nest, Motorola to mention a few of the less than stellar Google acquisitions

2021-12-02 21:25:23 UTC

codepoet: one continues to be a costly slow-follower, and the other a dying business model

2021-12-02 21:25:22 UTC

codepoet: i love how he says they need to focus on their enterprise and printing business

2021-12-02 21:24:53 UTC

LegoBatman: Time to play a game of Leo Darts!

2021-12-02 21:23:26 UTC

LegoBatman: https://www.zdnet.com/article/hps-apotheker-recounts-touchpad-disaster-in-post-mortem/

2021-12-02 21:23:03 UTC

Grabber5.0: I guess we'll find out with Waze..

2021-12-02 21:22:16 UTC

Grabber5.0: Heh yeah, though I meant purchased products.. they build then abandon

2021-12-02 21:22:01 UTC

nomad84: although they screw up their own products as well ^_^

2021-12-02 21:21:50 UTC

nomad84: Google

2021-12-02 21:21:13 UTC

Grabber5.0: Or companies

2021-12-02 21:20:14 UTC

Grabber5.0: Or HP.. or Oracle.. who's screwed up more formerly good products?

2021-12-02 21:20:02 UTC

Grabber5.0: Like everything else they've bought!

2021-12-02 21:18:40 UTC

Grabber5.0: Heh yeah true

2021-12-02 21:18:02 UTC

nomad84: deleting the app does the trick, their website is pretty awful so retention drops off :)

2021-12-02 21:17:41 UTC

codepoet mini: I was there at the time, it was a slow moving train wreck

2021-12-02 21:17:15 UTC

nomad84: I never heard that phone ring in ages, my sim card only works on 4G networks :-!

2021-12-02 21:16:56 UTC

codepoet mini: Microsoft screwed up skype

2021-12-02 21:16:55 UTC

Grabber5.0: I hate it but it's hard to stay off it

2021-12-02 21:16:31 UTC

nomad84: I would probably pay for a working Skype app on the Pre 3 though

2021-12-02 21:16:24 UTC

nomad84: I don't miss facebook either, I don't have it installed on any of my modern devices

2021-12-02 21:15:31 UTC

codepoet mini: I don't miss FB, but I wish the Skype app still worked

2021-12-02 21:15:04 UTC

nomad84: it looked pretty cool compared to the other platforms

2021-12-02 21:15:02 UTC

Grabber5.0: LOL @ until it worked

2021-12-02 21:14:16 UTC

nomad84: I really liked the Palm facebook app until it wokred

2021-12-02 21:13:42 UTC

codepoet mini: Lol ya

2021-12-02 21:12:03 UTC

Grabber5.0: After a while it became: Uploading your contacts to FB = yeah go ahead dudes! Downloading your FB friends info to your phone = no way in hell!

2021-12-02 21:11:43 UTC

nomad84: they also had a number of different landing pages for it: ```http://palm.com/facebookapphelp http://palm.com/facebookappfeedback http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.facebook.beta```

2021-12-02 21:11:37 UTC

Grabber5.0: Until FB felt too challenged

2021-12-02 21:10:01 UTC

codepoet mini: There was a time when people liked FB

2021-12-02 21:09:49 UTC

Grabber5.0: Well..

2021-12-02 21:09:40 UTC

Grabber5.0: Will synergy was big with fb

2021-12-02 21:09:30 UTC

nomad84: the facebook app

2021-12-02 21:09:14 UTC

nomad84: touchstone is mentioned 119 times, facebook is mentioned 2464 times

2021-12-02 21:09:02 UTC

Grabber5.0: Related to the Facebook app Palm wrote or for content on FB?

2021-12-02 21:08:27 UTC

nomad84: digging through the help files it seems it is full of references to facebook

2021-12-02 21:07:30 UTC

Grabber5.0: Heh

2021-12-02 21:00:26 UTC

codepoet: obviously i'm not the only one. there was a separate pack-in reminding you to do it. of course i never read Instructions...

2021-12-02 20:54:29 UTC

LegoBatman: Ha...Human error. Happens all the time.

2021-12-02 20:52:52 UTC

codepoet: they actually work quite nicely with my Veer -- pause and play when they connect or disconnect or switch from single to dual

2021-12-02 20:52:25 UTC

codepoet: they pair just fine, and sound great!

2021-12-02 20:51:13 UTC

codepoet: I didn't remove the little protective tape over the charging leads

2021-12-02 20:51:08 UTC

codepoet: well, it was an IO problem (Idiot Operator) with my Palm Buds

2021-12-02 20:50:57 UTC

nomad84: it is in a fairly good shape still

2021-12-02 20:40:11 UTC

nomad84: I don't think this one will ever boot again

2021-12-02 20:39:47 UTC

codepoet: probably best

2021-12-02 20:39:42 UTC

nomad84: I think I will just buy another one

2021-12-02 20:39:29 UTC

codepoet: or one of these? https://batteryclerk.com/products/96625-hp-touchpad-10-battery

2021-12-02 20:38:39 UTC

codepoet: there's always the toaster oven trick...

2021-12-02 20:38:19 UTC

nomad84: and retried it after it was posted in the forum... a number of times

2021-12-02 20:38:06 UTC

codepoet: :-!

2021-12-02 20:37:44 UTC

nomad84: yes

2021-12-02 20:37:37 UTC

codepoet: that was the first time I'd heard that one

2021-12-02 20:36:24 UTC

codepoet: did you try the 20-40 button press trick someone just posted on the forums?

2021-12-02 20:36:20 UTC

nomad84: I've tried all the usual ways to resurrect it, even took it apart to see if there is anything obvious but it pretty much bricked itself

2021-12-02 20:35:47 UTC

nomad84: I took it off in the morning and the next day it was black screen

2021-12-02 20:34:41 UTC

Grabber5.0: Wow one night killed it?

2021-12-02 20:33:51 UTC

nomad84: mine was on a touchstone as well all the time, until I forgot to place it back for one night... oh well, I think I found a "new" one in France, let's hope nobody outbids me on eBay :)

2021-12-02 20:32:39 UTC

codepoet: yup, i keep all three of mine on touchstones. the ones I don't use as often are plugged into a timer/smart outlet so they at least get a little power every day. super paranoid about them dying from battery drain

2021-12-02 20:30:07 UTC

Grabber5.0: I always suspected it, because I just couldn't believe I was always forgetting to power down specific ones after I did something with them

2021-12-02 20:27:09 UTC

Grabber5.0: I hoped powering them down would be safe

2021-12-02 20:26:14 UTC

Grabber5.0: I never mean to, it just always happens

2021-12-02 20:25:54 UTC

nomad84: don't let them completely discharge

2021-12-02 20:25:26 UTC

nomad84: that happened to mine as well before it died :-!

2021-12-02 20:25:12 UTC

Grabber5.0: I'm certain I powered them all down the last time I checked them, and every one of them did the knight rider flash when I plugged them in this morning 🤬

2021-12-02 20:23:26 UTC

Grabber5.0: Unrelated.. I'm annoyed at my touchpads.. I think there is parasitic drain even when they are off

2021-12-02 20:22:48 UTC

Grabber5.0: I never liked that the help was hosted online.. doesn't do much good if you're having connectivity problems. Even if THAT topic is locally hosted, I just don't care for it, even if it does give them the ability to update help documents at any time

2021-12-02 20:22:10 UTC

nomad84: https://imgur.com/a/sulFJlA

2021-12-02 20:19:33 UTC

codepoet: excellent!

2021-12-02 20:17:57 UTC

nomad84: I can keep hosting these for many years to come, I've just added a third cluster node to my setup over the weekend, so it should be fairly stable :)

2021-12-02 20:16:49 UTC

nomad84: definitely

2021-12-02 20:15:45 UTC

codepoet: but it'd be way harder than the hosts name trick

2021-12-02 20:15:17 UTC

nomad84: that could make the html's work offline

2021-12-02 20:15:12 UTC

codepoet: we could build a "Help Helper" app, that registered for those URLs and responded with local content

2021-12-02 20:15:05 UTC

nomad84: neat

2021-12-02 20:14:52 UTC

codepoet: like I did with URL Assist for YouTube

2021-12-02 20:14:45 UTC

codepoet: well you could re-route the queries with a URI handler

2021-12-02 20:14:22 UTC

nomad84: I'm not sure how hard that is

2021-12-02 20:14:19 UTC

nomad84: I guess the help files could be also hosted locally on the devices, if there was an easy way to rewrite the http:// querries to file:// querries

2021-12-02 20:13:16 UTC

nomad84: sure, that works fine for the podcasts

2021-12-02 20:11:35 UTC

codepoet: in fact... i wonder if I should reverse proxy `help.webosarchive.com/devicehelp` to `webos.linuxshell.xyz:2009/devicehelp` so then its only one host entry

2021-12-02 20:10:56 UTC

codepoet: but managing host file entries isn't easy for the average user, so the fewer the better!

2021-12-02 20:09:30 UTC

codepoet: ya, and since they owned the domain names they just pointed them both at the same place

2021-12-02 20:09:11 UTC

nomad84: the other is the deleting an item from a list video

2021-12-02 20:09:00 UTC

nomad84: I think they never updated this and just reused the old palm video for every device

2021-12-02 20:07:58 UTC

nomad84: this is the pinch to zoom video

2021-12-02 20:07:41 UTC

codepoet: oh interesting. actually in the content. ok, i'll setup the reverse proxy to your server, and update the .html files to point to your server instead of the cdnetworks server

2021-12-02 20:07:07 UTC

nomad84: here are some references: ```./en-us/c027-01/d100-04/article/27467.html ./en-us/c027-01/d100-04/article/27489.html ./en-us/c027-01/d200-03/article/27461.html ./en-us/c027-01/d200-03/article/27485.html ./en-us/c027-01/d400-01/article/42784.html ./en-us/c027-01/d400-01/article/42785.html```

2021-12-02 20:06:23 UTC

codepoet: VSCode can make short work of that. I'll do a search and replace

2021-12-02 20:05:49 UTC

nomad84: it's in 100 files accross all the languages

2021-12-02 20:05:34 UTC

nomad84: that can work as well

2021-12-02 20:05:23 UTC

nomad84: +tar gz file in case if somebody needs a copy: http://webos.linuxshell.xyz:2009/devicehelp/devicehelp.tgz

2021-12-02 20:03:16 UTC